Paleo Talk Episode 22

Hello folks – got another fireball of an episode for ya! The three of us take a good 15 minutes in the beginning to discuss our lives and make a few apologies. We eventually get to business with some great questions from y’all. To add, I would like to petition that we make “y’all” the official U.S. plural second-person pronoun.


Inside Episode 22 of Paleo Talk:

  • After tracking behavior of young son – Possible Aspergers diagnosis in future. Wait to introduce Paleo living?
  • 27yr old male wants to know the basic ins and outs of this lifestyle. We don’t go over basics very often, decided this was a good time to do so.
  • Omega 3/6 ratio of nuts and how to not go neurotic with tracking all this stuff. (Hint: dont)
  • Birth Control hormone concerns. We talk about methods of contraception in this part as tactfully as possible. I think we did an OK job.
  • How do we handle Halloween with all the candy?
  • New to Paleo, with dairy cut out where am I supposed to get calcium?


  1. says

    Love the show. I’m still fairly new to paleo, so usually don’t have anything to comment about since I’m still learning. :) But… I did have a few thoughts re: the birth control segment.

    1. The calendar method is not really accurate. It may work for many women, but not everyone has a regular 28-day cycle where ovulation occurs around day 14. Women with longer or unregular cycles will most likely not be able to use a calendar method with any amount of accuracy.

    However, using the FAM/NFP method where you chart your basal body temperature and other fertility signs would be a much more accurate way for a woman to track her cycle to either prevent or encourage pregnancy. I recommend the book “Taking Charge of Your Fertility” for anyone who would like to learn more.

    2. The copper IUD (Paragard) has no hormones, and therefore many women do not experience the side effects that the hormone-laden one (Mirena) causes. Of course, women may still experience side effects of the copper IUD, so may not work out for everyone… but just wanted to point out that there is a hormone-free IUD available. I had the Paragard for over five years and loved it.

    Thanks again for the podcast. It’s a great resource. :)

    • Kay says

      I came on here after listening to the show to say the exact same thing about the calendar method. It can work well if you have a completely “normal” cycle. I was using a calendar last year and when I actually started charting my basal body temperature I realized, whoops!, I wasn’t actually ovulating when the app said I should be.

  2. Sara says

    This was the first episode I’ve listened to and really enjoyed it! But I have to tell you, my heart skipped a beat when you were talking about the using the calendar method to avoid pregnancy! Both of you should read the EXCELLENT book Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler because just going by the calendar alone will not tell you exactly when you ovulate and you are setting yourselves up for an oops! I used the information in TCOYF when I was trying to get pregnant so it goes both ways.

    I also wanted to let you know that not all IUDs have hormones. I am about to get the Paragard IUD for myself which only has copper. I’m ready to get off the pill now that we are done (and I think will improve how I feel now that I am working on a Paleo lifestyle). I also didn’t trust myself to keep up with the TCOYF method so that is why I am going with the Paragard (you can have it for 10 years). Taking your temperature and charting everyday can be a drag after awhile but it is a great method for avoiding or getting pregnant :)

    • cTo says

      Seconded bringing up awareness of the copper IUD. After a lot of soul searching, I decided to go off HBC (which, to be fair, I had barely any problems with for almost ten years) and give the IUD a shot. I decided if I was going no hormone then id go all-out and go for the copper rather than the progestin-releasing one.

      Reading around, it seems there is a lot of conflicting information on IUDs in the states. Some people think that its impossible for pre-pregnancy women to get one. The truth is they CAN, but its a lot harder to do so many doctors dont want to do it. Also, inserting IUDs is tricky even in the best of situations, so a lot of doctors dont like to do it because they dont get enough practice in it. I heard one woman say she went to planned parenthood to get an IUD cause they have a lot of experience with them, and my general doctor sent me to a specific gynecologist to get mine.

      So far I havent had any problems with my copper IUD. A lot of cramping the first couple days, and my periods since have been heavier than normal, but its been great otherwise.

      One last thing my gynecologist said that helps clarify some misinformation about the things: apparently if you expel an IUD, you CAN give it at least one more shot; some doctors think that once its expelled, itll never work again, but she said some women will take better to it the second time. Also she said that some women who expel the copper IUD have better luck with the progestin IUD.

  3. Kristin says

    No, no, no, no, no! I love your podcast, but your first answer was way, way, way off base. I totally understand where you are coming from and as a mom, it makes perfect sense. However, the public school special education system does not work like a mom’s brain. Quite frankly it doesn’t work like anyone’s brain…but I digress. As a former public school teacher and the mother of a child who received special ed services I can tell you that if what she wants is for her child to qualify for the special ed programs at school (and from her questions it sounds like that is what she wants), she should not do anything to improve his condition prior to seeing the specialist and getting that diagnosis or she risks not getting it at all. Once she has the diagnosis, then she can start trying things to minimize the symptoms.

    I agree with you both that I would not try any medications before trying dietary changes (although there actually are no medications for aspergers–only for some of the symptoms). But getting a diagnosis is not the same as getting medication.

    • says

      I’m still trying to get my sister to give Paleo a shot with my nephew with Asperger instead of the meds. But I think you’re right: she had a hard time getting him any help because he’s high functioning enough to be pretty smart and seem “normal” for a short while, but anyone who spends more than half a day with him realizes he needs help. The school won’t give him help because he’s too “normal”.


    • Susan says

      I totally agree with not doing anything before evaluation. You want your child to show exactly what s/he is or is not capable of without intervention from you if you want an accurate eval. For years, my child was considered ineligible for Special Ed and only received a 504, which ended up being inadequate, year after year. She was “too successful” because of my intervention to meet criteria, but she desperately needed services. I had to pull back what I was doing to help her compensate and allow her to fail before she started to get the help she needed in school. It was one of the hardest things I ever did for her, but one of the best. Once your child has the in school support needed, you can ramp up or resume your intervention. Sometimes you have to work the system. There are people in place who will really care about helping your child, but they are bound by the regulations that can keep you from getting the help you need if you do too much before evaluation. It is unfortunate, but it helps for the screening team to see your child at his/her “worst”.

  4. Sara says

    Hi Sarah – just listened to your paleo talk for the first time, great stuff! I especially liked your response to the no dairy/calcium question. Where do you find your information regarding this subject? I would like to be able to discuss what I’ve been learning from your blog but want to have an additional source to back it up to my non-paleo friends instead of saying “because Sarah said so!”. Thanks!


  5. Sara #1 says

    Ha! I see I repeated Kelly’s comment. It wasn’t on the page when I typed my response! At least you have two recommendations now for TCOYF!

  6. Melissa says

    Sarah – I just wanted to say how much I totally enjoy the podcasts. You, Krissy and Dain do such a wonderful job. When I start feeling a little non-compliant, a podcast shows up and I’m back on the paleo bandwagon with gusto. Thank you, thank you, thank you to you, Krissy and Dain for all you do and the passion in which you do it. :)

  7. Anne Marie says

    The Creighton Model is an excellent fertility management tool. Birth control pills poison woman by filling her body with chemical steroids which as you point out make some women feel lousy, and can wreak havoc on her fertility. Not only that but these chemical steroids poison the environment causing damage to wildlife and poisoning drinking water.

    Finally, research suggests that women on birth control hormones are attracted to different types of men than they would be if not on birth control, an obvious formula for relationship chaos. Since the selection of a partner is one of the most important decisions of a woman’s (or man’s) life, shouldn’t it be made under the best possible circumstances, with a clear head rather than under the influence of chemicals flowing through the brain?

    • Laura B says

      I know you asked Sarah but just thought I’d mention the two I use! Taking Charge of Your Fertility has one on their website,, and there is also a smartphone app called My Days.

  8. kell says

    Hi Sarah!
    first off, I am a HUGE fan of you (and Chrissy and Dain too!!). I love the podcast and your blog, I think you are putting alot of positive energy into this world and inspire me to do the same!!
    with that, i would like to challenge you (just a little bit :) on something i heard you say on this podcast – and i hear a “boat-ton”(heehee) of parents saying this around halloween – and that is that they would throw away fresh fruit or homemade treats on halloween. i really do (sort of) get it, but it also makes me soooooo sad!! do we really trust hersheys, nestle, and god knows what other factory to not poison our children more so than our own neighbors??

    i know YOU dont feed your children the candy . . . but dont you think it is sad that many parents let their kids eat boat loads of toxic, sugary, candies – but then toss out the organic apples and perhaps homemade larabars from their own neighbors who are actually probably just trying to make an effort to give out something other than candy??
    maybe im living in a dream world, but wouldnt it be great if we all knew and trusted our neighbors enough to know that their “treats” were 1 million times better intentioned than any factories (no matter how fancy their wrapped and sealed package is…)
    just a thought . . . maybe we can change this???
    thanks again for all that you do, i really do appreciate it all!!
    paleo peace :-)

  9. says

    Great podcast. So great to hear all of you talking and laughing. I’ve missed the podcast! Glad you’re back, and can’t wait to hear about all these secrets that are in the works!

  10. holly says

    There is a type of IUD that has no hormones, it is made of copper which is deadly to sperm. I have it, and absolutely love it. It is good for 12 years and I have had zero issues with it. I would HIGHLY suggest it to any one out there looking for non hormone based birth control.

  11. cp says

    I had to let you all know about my Halloween party experience with my 2 and 4 year old this weekend. I took them to a kids’ party and was disappointed to find that the highlighted activity was “bobbing” for powdered donuts on a string. It was quite a sight to see! I left that party feeling like I really have my work cut out for me when it comes to keeping the junk out of my kids. The funny thing was that when I mentioned it to my brother, he said that his kid’s class had the same activity at their school party!! I appreciate being able to come to your site to find hope and inspiration when it comes to the food battles in life and parenting.

  12. Heidi says

    Hi Sarah and Chrissy,
    Another great podcast! Thanks for all the advice and support for this Paleo lifestyle!
    I wanted to comment on your suggestions for birth control. Like several others have posted here, the calendar or ‘rhythm’ method is not accurate and you can easily make mistakes. My husband and I have been using the Creighton Method and love it!! ( We have a really good understanding of my cycle, even in times of stress, poor sleep, etc. which can affect your cycle. The best part is that it’s all scientifically researched and studied. Much like the Paleo diet, it’s all backed up by science. It’s also easy to use with just relying on mucus readings. There is no temperature taking every morning.
    Thanks again for all the great work you guys do!

  13. Carri says

    Hi Sarah and Chrissy,

    I finally got around to listening to the podcast, and I think your answer for the mom with a child with possible Asperger’s was spot on. I was that mom 8 months ago. We knew something was going on with our son that food was making worse, and when I went to my pediatrician, all he offered was meds and referrals to other doctors, but he assured me nothing was wrong with my son. I worried that we might lose out on assistance without a proper diagnosis, but I also didn’t think we could “get” a diagnosis given my pediatrician’s response. Long story short, our family “fell” into Paleo living after trying a special diet protocol (Spectrum Balance Diet from for my son, and also discovering in the process the various foods that were bothering the rest of us too. In retrospect, seeing the changes in his behavior and school skills, I’m convinced he has Asperger’s, and I know I’m mildly affected as well.

    He has made such leaps and bounds since them, and I know that the sooner you catch any Autism signs and address them, the better (and more likely to reverse them), so I hate to think where we’d be right now if we’d waited to try to get a diagnosis. I’ve also heard it’s super expensive to do all the tests and everything too.

    Bottom line: I think it’s better to feel well and get assistance if needed, rather than try to qualify for assistance that you might not even need while putting your or your child’s well-being on hold. :) Thanks for your websites and Sarah, for your book – they have been great sources of information for our Paleo family. Can’t wait for the next podcast!

  14. Marion says

    So-called natural methods of family planning are at best 85 percent effective. Folks, that’s a baby a year, as anyone Catholic can tell you. Sperm can live up to ten days, waiting around for an egg. Please, do not take these kinds of chances with your lives. I believed in it because I thought it would be so wonderful, so natural, so simple… and I ended up with two children. And I followed the method religiously, the mucous, the calendar, the temperature charting. But the odds are not in your favor. Don’t let wishful thinking override reality.

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